Careful who you breed with
Agetha's story
"Agetha" is a wonderful woman. She has a kind heart and good intentions. However, she has one major flaw - bad taste in men.
She has three kids, two of her looking like her and one looking like him. Agetha's hubby, he's another story. He's not a joy to be around. No matter what idea or proposition you have, he'll tell you how it won't work. He'll find ugliness in a rainbow, smog in a sunset, and a miscolored drop in a waterfall. He's never happy, and yours truly has had to hold back the temptation to knock him over the head with a crowbar.
You and I have free will. He has none. He's the type of guy fifty years ago who would be locked up in an attic making funny noises, or better yet, in a loonie bin where he couldn't breed. Unfortunately for us, he's bred three times.
All three kids have severe depression. The boy is a teenager. He's found that he's even bad at suicide. He's tried it twice and failed. If he survives into adulthood, he'll end up like his father, driving the whole world crazy. The two girls will grow up to be co-dependents. They're cute now, and I really wish them the best, but this is Earth, not Lord of the Rings. They'll find some loser who will treat them like garbage, get knocked up by him, marry him, and produce another generation fit only for the Jerry Springer show.
Magneta's story
Magneta was a hottie in high school. I'm saying this from pictures, not from experience, but these pictures don't lie. With looks like that, and a 130+ I.Q., she could have had her choice of men. Instead, she married a guy who makes Agneta's hubby look fun.
At home when only the family's around, Magneta's husband doesn't talk. He screams. The house might look spotless to you or me, but he'll find something wrong with it, then scream at his wife and kids to fix it. I guess doing it himself is too much trouble.
They got a higher batting average though. Magneta's son's a good kid. I personally like the kid. Her daughter on the other hand would make any parent's hair fall out. She's chronically depressed, cries at everything, has absolutely zero ambition, and is grossly obese. Unless they find a cure for diabetes, it's almost a given she dies in her 40s if her heart makes it that long.
How did her son turn out okay? Well, he was raised by his grandparents. When he moved back in with his parents in high school, he got so sick of them that he graduated early and got the **** out.
Shaky's story
Microwaving small animals for laughs should have been a sign that something was seriously wrong with "Shaky." Or it could have been hearing voices at an early age. Or it could have been the fact that Shaky was partially retarded. Of course, it wouldn't be politically correct if we sterilized him, because if we did, the P.C. crowd would be going bonkers.
Shaky's in jail now. I couldn't tell you what for, because I don't know. I do know that somewhere out there are at least two little Shakys, maybe more. When he gets out of jail, you can bet your kid's college fund that he'll breed again, because Shaky likes having sex almost as much as microwaving small animals.
I'm sure though that those little Shakys will grow up to be fine, upstanding citizens, contributing to a better society. They'll grow up to find a vaccine for HIV, cure lung cancer, end both poverty and racism, and bring about world peace. And while we're dreaming, I want a pony.
Back in the old days, Shaky would have been sterilized. Now, it's a free for all where anyone who could get it up is free to piss in the gene pool, making sure we have more losers that yours and my tax dollars will have to take care of, whether it's welfare, psychiatric hospital visits, or jail. Plus, while the first two cases are just plain losers, Shaky's dangerous. He's been known to rough up a few old people who had the gall to get upset when he was busting into their houses to steal stuff. Oh yeah, that's what he's in jail for. My bad.
Now Agetha and Magneta should have been more careful who they bred with, especially Magneta who had things going for her. Because of their bad choices, we're stuck with another generation of losers, who will eventually beget more losers. I use Agetha and Magneta as warnings for those who are about to get married. Do not breed with losers or your kids will be losers. I don't think it's too much to ask, is it?
Shaky on the other hand is the fault of the P.C. police who outlawed forced sterilization. Yeah, I know that some forced sterilizations were racist. I'm well aware of history. But by that token, police back in those days were racist. So do we outlaw police as well? That will work great.
Because of the P.C. police, Shaky's kids will grow up to be criminals, then they'll beget more criminals. Shaky should have been put in a loonie bin. If not, then he should have been sterilized. That cycle could have been stopped long ago, even before Shaky was born. I bet you can guess what kind of parents he had.
Where to draw the line?
And that, my friends, is the million dollar question, where to draw the line. I'll tell you where. Where free will stops. Retarded folk and crazy people do not have free will. You and I have free will, they don't.
"But isn't Hitler..."
Yeah, that's what always happens. You make any point nowadays and the P.C. police bring up Hitler. No. Hitler wanted to kill people. I don't. I'm all for retarded citizens and crazy people living their lives the best they can. I just don't want them to breed, so we could put an end to this mad cycle.
posted by The Zombieslayer @ 8:50 AM
22 Comments:
OMG. I know these guys. Some of my friends have dated them, and one had the supreme misfortune of marrying one. Stacy was an A student with two jobs, a cute little apartment, and a sunny personality when she started dating her "Shaky". The first time I saw him sitting on her couch it was like he was polluting the very air we breathed...probably with alcohol fumes mostly, but also a miasma of evil and stupidity. He bragged about slingshotting kittens into a wall, slaughtering emus, and nuking a cat. What a catch. She ended up pregnant by one of three candidates.
Most of us have made bad relationship choices. The question is, did we have the smarts and self-respect to get out of them? I did. I gave my worst choice a year to straighten up, then split after about 8 months of his stalling and excuses. Best decision I ever made.
I'm having some maritl problems myself, so I cant really comment, but you're right. I chose my husband because I knew he's be a good father. He is. As a husband, though, he kinda sucks.
You're back!!!
Some quick quips.
First, I don't think any of us have a free will, if you mean completely unfettered. We are given free choice and we are responsible to act "good." Of course, that stems from my religious worldview -- I don't know on what basis others would dream of asserting that humans, in their nature, have free will or any attributes, good or bad or would feel obligated to act good or bad (since we can't know what those labels mean). If you mean "free will" as Jonathan Edwards defined it, I would agree -- It is impossible to act against your will -- your hand will not move, contrary to what you decide to do. The question is, are you doing something you want to do or are you being coerced at some level? Either way, you are weighing your options, taking the most desirable course and "doing what you want to do."
I know a man... an award winning school psychologist in the elementary grades. He says it's getting worse, as you describe. I would argue that it's because we've removed stigma and shame (in their therapeutic role), because we all agree that you can't even know what's right or wrong (except that the Christian ethic is wrong -- all others are in play), let alone legislate it and impose morality. My friend is not a Christian, but would agree with that. Unless those kinds of "old fashioned" measures are reintroduced into the insitutions and the family, well...
Years ago, he became convinced that forced sterilization was the answer. While I see the relief that would offer, I could never agree based on my religious convictions. Let's put it this way; I would rather die at the hands of a crazy person than force sterilization and deny the possiblity of good coming out of bad (which does happen -- Bling!!! You get your pony!).
Second, the whole line of thought is too close to the eugenics of the 20th century and initiative's like Margaret Sanger's Negro Project, Planned Parenthood and other birth control campaigns targeted at "the lower classes," who are "breeding like vermin." We've seen that legacy... it's not good.
Finally, people suffering depression can be set free... the therapies, however, are totally un-P.C. and would be repulsive to the modern liberal/progressive on an institutional or societal level, although I do see liberals and progressives employing such therapies in their own homes with great success -- they just don't want their coreligionists to know -- the ends justify the means. I just don't know why they don't want to see others benefit in the wider community.
SME - Poor Stacy. The sad thing is, the kids are more likely to end up being like Shaky than Stacy.
Most of us have made bad relationship choices. The question is, did we have the smarts and self-respect to get out of them?
That's the million dollar question, and we're known by the choices we make.
United - There's something to be said for a good parent though. Donald and Ivana Trump hate each other, but Donald told the crowd that he can't say anything bad about Ivana because she's an excellent mother, as much as they don't get along. Their kids seem like they've turned out pretty well.
Raemius - Yup. :)
Bo - I disagree, agree, and disagree.
First, free will - I believe God gave us free will, with of course exceptions. Or we can say God gave us choices. Some folks have more choices than others, I'll grant that. For instance, me, sitting pretty in the San Francisco area has more choices than someone who had their home destroyed in Katrina. That's an extreme example but the point is there.
Second, stigma and shame - 100% agreed. We're not allowed to punish or scold children nowadays because it will hurt their self-esteem. So there is no right or wrong. What kind of crap is that? I believe in good old fashioned family values because they've worked for hundreds of years. All the work Mrs. Z and I do on our kid though gets undone by the public education system. It's driven us bonkers.
Third, forced sterilization - I'm well aware of Sanger's and others eugenics program, and under her program, I probably would have been sterilized because poor non-whites get the brunt of the blast under her plan. It's a shame that happened, because it's such a strong argument against what I believe, which is simple.
In the 70s and 80s, we opened up the loonie bins and let everyone out, so it's a free for all. Sometimes, the person you're breeding with seems okay until they start going batty a few years into the marriage. Well, I'd put them back in, and encourage sane people to watch who they're mating with more closely.
The sterilization is for retarded folk, because they have close to no free will. Unlike Sanger, Hitler, and the other eugenics, I actually like them, and believe in cradle to grave welfare for our retarded citizens. When we lived in SoCal, the charity we helped out the most was the Retarded Citizens of Ventura County.
I also believe in job training. Mildly retarded folks like working, are hard workers, and do the best they can to get the job done. However, they have less self-control when it comes to sex and are more likely to wantonly breed and create another generation of dependents. They'd do it on a grand scale too, and it's not uncommon to see mildly retarded folk with fifteen kids out of wedlock and uncared for by their father.
Good points, Bo. I've always enjoyed talking to you because you're replies are always well-thought out.
Unlike Sanger, Hitler, and the other eugenics, I actually like them, and believe in cradle to grave welfare for our retarded citizens.
Yikes. I worded that poorly. Sounds like I'm a eugenic.
For the record, I don't believe in race. I believe we're all one species and different ethnicities exist so we can have a variety of cuisines. Or something like that. ;)
See, the problem is, stupid people procreate at a much faster rate than smart people.
My solution is sterilize anybody with an IQ under 105.
GWB - Lol! Too funny.
You ever hear of that Ask Marilyn column? Well, Marilyn's a genius. She writes a column where people ask her anything and she responds.
One guy asked her a hypothetical questions if smart people had two of less kids and stupid people had six or more kids, would that make the general population go down. She avoided the question by saying the I.Q. of 100 is a mean, the I.Q. of the general population won't go down. She completely avoided the question.
Zom - I'm sorry but I agree with Mr. Salisbury on this one. I'm very much against forced sterilization. However, I also see your point because I've too seen the results of retarded citizens having lots of kids out of wedlock and uncared for.
I think a better idea would be a bribe. Nothing is forced on anyone. But in the betterment of society, you pay retarded folk to be sterilized. If they don't to do it, fine. If they've already bred, then the money is less, but the offer is still there.
I think your forced sterilization policy is inconsistent with your individual freedom beliefs.
Actually, many retarded people and crazy people do have free will, and the capacity to enact it with the proper care and treatments.
Hitler is a bad example.
If we start to make rules about who can have children (a right protected under international law I might add) then who is to say *who* defines who is suitable? Working mothers, some say, neglect their children - let's pass a law that all mothers be required to stay at home! Who's to say what is *proper* childrearing? Sure, there are limits that we all agree upon and turn into laws regarding how we all should act and conduct ourselves. However, we cannot indict people prior to their making a mistake. That's a little Minority Report-ish for me. And, frankly, it goes against the founding principles of this country that everyone, no matter who they are or where they come from, has the ability and the right to re-invent themselves, to learn from mistakes, and to make mistakes, and to be considered innocent until proven guilty of some crime.
I am amazed that you, ZS, of all people, Mr. Government out of our personal lives, would endorse the belief that someone else has the right to determine whether or not you can have children.
Oh, and...
ZS said: "In the 70s and 80s, we opened up the loonie bins and let everyone out, so it's a free for all."
We?? No, we didn't 'open them up and let everyone out' as you say. Social service funding was slashed to the point where people could no longer AFFORD to seek help in an institutional setting. That, combined with the research progress of medications and new therapy options for people with disabilities, let to not only an inability for those who needed care to get it, but also care that did not neccessarily involve being locked up like a criminal.
Laura - Good points. You and Jess both mentioned the inconsistency of small gov't and forced sterilizations. I may have to rethink this one.
Don't be such a pussy, Zombie. Stand your ground. You lived in ghettos before. You know how the breeding there works. Smart people use birth control. The tards have twenty kids each.
I just got off the phone with SME, and she is laughing her a** off! "Mom, you haven't commented at ZS's yet, and this sounds like one of YOUR rants!"
OK, I admit it. I agree with you 100%. I also realize that we can't realisticly implement a plan like this. Once we start, where do we stop?
The state of the earth's gene pool really upsets me. You and I, realizing the hazards of overpopulation, have responsibly limited our families. The idiots, religious zealots, and most welfare mothers are breeding unchecked.
This situation needs to stop! Unfortunately, we can't legislate who should breed. We need to quit enabling the indiscriminate breeders of our world. J.F. makes a valid point with her bribe idea.
I feel like personal testimony always works well in these discussions so I'll tell you what I know.
My cousin, Jessica, was born with "problems". I'm still unclear as to what happened to her. Basically, she's like 6 years older than me and she acts like she's forever thirteen.
She lives "on her own" but what that really means is she lives in an apartment building for mentally retarded individuals. Her mom, my aunt, divorced when Jessic was 10 and then when my aunt remarried, Jessic wasn't part of the picture for the new hubby so my aunt moved Jessica to a home in Redding.
Jessica is fascinated with the opposite sex. I remember at a very early age, she was asking my sisters and I very inappropriate questions about our periods, if we wore a bra, if we ever thought about kissing boys.
My mom tried to explain to us her special needs but she just creeped us out.
In highschool, Jessica was in her senior year when I started my freshman year. She would call out to me in the halls and ask if the boy I was walking with was my boyfriend. It was really humiliating. In my immaturity, I told people I didn't know her and she was just some 'tard.
rotten of me, I know. But it is what it is.
Now Jessica calls me like once every couple of months.
She always has a new boyfriend who is like 10 years or more, older than her.
Jessica was sterilized and I don't know how long agao they did that to her but I seriously can not imagine what would have happened if they didn't.
It scares me to think that weird men prey on her because she's an easy target.
I worry about her sometimes.
She's really involved with a local church but she told me last week that she went to some miracle healing concert where they all got "drunk with the spirit".
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I'm thankful she can't get pregnant and she wouldn't have made that choice on her own--her mother made it for her.
Eugenics make me gag because everyone has their own idea of who shouldn't breed: Disabled people, poor people, nonwhite people, white people, fat chicks, etc. etc. But I think we can all agree that adults who will forever be emotionally/mentally the age of preadolescent children should NOT be having children. In the words of Cartman, "It's WROUNG!" Problem is you can't legislate that without coming across as a sociopath. So, it's up to parents and guardians of the severely disabled to steer their charges toward the decision, not just for society at large but for their own well-being. I'd like to see some ethical social workers and drs. quietly take part in this process, too.
C'mon ZS, how do you really feel?? I see your point and to a great extent agree with it. The problem with forced sterilization (and I'm not saying that it's not the lesser of all evils - it might be the best practical solution) is where do you draw the line, who makes the determination and who is responsible for oversight. It's a slippery slope.
You do know, I am sure, that anything even remotely close to what you suggest is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. Nicely written rant though!
Mike
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No I haven't!
"I don't believe in race"
How can you not believe in race? "Race" is how we perceive others based on the color of their skin. We perceive people as being "black" "white" or "carmel" and we make assumptions based on this physical racial judgment. We don't go around saying "that person is Singaporean, that one is Japanese, that one Chinese..." Instead we say "they are asian and they must be smart" That is what I feel defines "race"--how we perceive others, not what they truly are (which would be their ethnicity) Does that make sense? Race only exists because of the prejudices that we carry based on how we perceive people.
An example of this would be, a half-black half-white person that looks white. They recieve the privileges of being white because of how they are perceived by the people around them.
anyway...I know this has nothing to do with your actual post, and more to do with a random comment you made in the comment section...it just really struck me as intersting! Thanks ZS!!! I'm so glad you're back!
Anon - Some of my rants aren't as solid as others. Like Constitutional Rights are solid. This is more a rant out of frustration, made to generate discussion. I think it succeeded it what it was meant to do.
Tshsmom - I'm now leaning more towards J.F.'s idea. There's no way this can be implemented and it would be political suicide for anyone to do it. Plus, Jess (J.F.) and Laura make a good point that it's hypocritical with my small gov't, personal freedom beliefs.
The thing is, something needs to be done. So I think bribing is a good idea.
Sadie - Thanks for the example. Yeah, I used to work with a partially retarded girl that was obsessed with sex. She would have been fired a hundred times over for sexual harassment, but nobody was offended because we knew she was retarded.
Now, there are scumbag guys out there who took advantage of that and had sex with her. Knowing that she never gave birth, my guess is that she too got sterilized by her parents.
SME - Yeah, that's the problem. Anyone who tries to legislate this would be a one-term politician. That political career would be over immediately.
So in the best interest, I really hope more parents get their retarded children sterilized. Shaky unfortunately wasn't, because he had no guardians - they were too whacked out on drugs to raise him.
Mr. Althouse - No, it won't happen. As I've replied before to previous posters, it would be political suicide. However, the bribe idea might work.
Slade - People will always look different to each other. The race comment was more idealistic than anything else.
And thanks. I'm glad to be back.
GWB was kidding? I'm with him but only if he's not kidding.
ROFL
Seriously Zomb, I'm not sure where I am on this one. Definitely agree with you that reproducing is really really a terrible idea for some--and there are more of them than I'd like to admit.
And what about the offspring? Holy crap starting life with the deck stacked against you that badly.
Who decides? These types of turkeys can be cunning. What if they get into the decision making? Would not want that kind of gun aimed at the non-monsters.
Songbird - Heh. GWB has one of those types of sarcasms where I can't tell if he's kidding or not.
From someone who lived in both poor and rich neighborhoods, I've seen first hand how retarded girls are taken advantage of in the poor neighborhoods, and end up fathering countless children, each with different fathers.
I'm only for sterilization of retarded folk, but I'm now leaning more towards bribery, for forced sterilization would be completely hypocritical to my small government stance.
And I warn sane people not to breed with crazies.
I am all in favor of sterilazation so long as I and I alonce get to decide who gets it.
I want to be the LIFEGUARD of the Gene Pool.
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