Sunday, July 24, 2005

How to handle North Korea

CAUTION - Do not read this post while you are eating.

They stand behind the mirrors looking in at the political dissident and his family with their clipboards, pocket watches, and white lab jackets. Then the gas comes. They wait. They continue to watch.

As expected, the men desperately beat at the walls, even with their knuckles bleeding profusely. They keep trying to break out of the room so their family could survive. The women on the other hand try to keep their children alive by any means. In an act of desperation, they breathe their last breaths of air into their children's lungs, even as snot drips from both their noses and their children's. The gas causes that.

Then they die. The scientists record the times. Then they bring in the next political dissident and his family.

This is one way they handle dissent in North Korea. I have heard they test anthrax on political prisoners as well. They also do medical experiments on them.

I have heard rumors of cannibalism, because so many people don't have enough to eat as Kim Il-Sung's son bathes in his $4 billion. Kim Il-Sung himself has been dead for years now, but the people of North Korea mistakenly think he's still running the show.

It's Stalinism all over again as a few million have died of starvation already, not including the dissidents who got slaughtered by their government. To make matters worse, North Korea wants to go nuclear, as in weapons, not just power plants.

Of course, the Zombieslayer has a way to handle North Korea. It's simple. Do nothing.

That's right, do nothing and tell Japan that we're pulling our troops out of Japan. You are now responsible for your own security, since after all these years, you have proven to be good guys. You've proven that long ago, we're just slow at acknowledging it. By the way, whatever you decide to do to the North Korean regime, well, just don't tell us.

If there's one thing that North Korea is afraid of is a militaristic Japan. But we better do it fast, before North Korea gets those nukes ready. I doubt Japan would want to deal with that again.


Blogger savage said...

Unfortunately, we have a ... um ... agreement with Japan that they can't have a standing army. We, therefore, defend them, and in so doing, defend ourselves ...
Another problem with North Korea is something I alluded to ... HERE, actually ... on another thread. N. Korea still wants the Japanese government and people to apologize for whatever misc. war crimes it was guilty of in WWII. Every so often, the Japanese government actually sends some settlement money.
Personally, I think apologizing for things in the past is horsesh_t. But to each ([undefended] government) his own.
Meanwhile, it is kind of strange that of all the places for us to get involved in a never-ending land war we chose Iraq. Assuming we actually expect our own people to believe we want(ed) to liberate the Iraqi citizens, there are a few other countries whose citizens should be higher up on our list and N. Korea is among them. I think China is too. And Egypt. But Saudi Arabia ... sh_t, man... if Iraq is bad (remember kids, that was a SECULAR government and WE were involved in setting it up) ... SA is really just a tad (and by "tad" I mean, of course, "ton") worse. But as long as they give us a discount on Oil, what the hey, eh?
Anyway, even if we were out of the muck in the Middle East and were totally free to do something about North Korea, we'd muck it up. And by "muck" I mean something that starts with 'f' ... I mean what was all that stuff about the last time with Korea, hmmmmm?

7/24/2005 3:22 AM  
Blogger savage said...

Miss Zombieslayer's bbq'd chicken.
ha. PP.

7/24/2005 3:23 AM  
Blogger tshsmom said...

That's a BEAUTIFUL solution Zombie!! Japan's ALWAYS looking for more land; have at it guys.
Despots make me retch! It's hard to believe that they still exist in our so called "enlightened" age.

Savage, you're absolutely right about Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The first thing we need to do is tell the Oil Cartel to f**k-off! Like that's gonna happen with an oil man in the White House.

7/24/2005 6:32 AM  
Blogger Slade said...

love it love it...i'd vote for you ZS!

savage, good points!

7/24/2005 8:35 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Savage - Yeah, we need to end that agreement. Let Japan defend themselves now. The reason we did it was for the same reason we're currently defending Germany. By the way, let them defend themselves now too. They're no longer rounding up people and putting them in concentration camps. Those people who committed those atrocities (as the ones committed by the Japanese as well) are almost all dead.

I would love to see Japan take out Kim's son and hopefully install a decent gov't there. I would love to see Korea united. I'm under the impression that the South Koreans more feel sorry for their northern cousins than resent them.

As for apologies, when do people stop asking for apologies and start living?

And agreed that North Korea has treated their people much, much worse than Iraq. I don't buy the liberate their people argument either. If so, North Korea should have been tops on the list, not Iraq.

Tshsmom - I think it will be more for their own defense. Japan does not want crazy North Koreans with missiles that can strike them. Japan would first take out their weapons facilities then probably take a shot to take out Kim Il-Sung's son.

Slade - thanks. I do think I'd run for Congress someday. Even if I win, that's as far as I'd go. I'd take no corporate contributions, for I like what Ralph Nader said that our gov't officials should dress like Nascar drivers, covering their suits with the corporations that back them so we know more easily who they represent. I guess I'd just write "grass roots" on my jacket.

7/24/2005 8:51 AM  
Blogger exMI said...

Japan's state of demilitarization is a vast myth. they actually spend LOTS on defense. they just don't have a "Military" Just the Japanese Defense Force. Taht being said I am not sure I would really wnat to have to deal with a truely militarized Japan again. Or catch the fallout (literallY) from the Chinese dealing with them. And it is too late about NK's nukes. They have them now. Which is probably one of the reasons we aren't invading them. Once they have nukes the cost to intervene goes WAY WAY up.

7/24/2005 8:57 AM  
Blogger Laura said...

No matter which way we choose to deal with NK, we've got to factor in China as well. We're looking down the barrel of a major regional conflict any way we choose.

I remember seeing an HBO documentary on NK children - based on testimony of people who managed to sneak over the border, document the conditions of the children (who indeed did resort to cannibalism) and safely got back across. It's horrific - not to downplay Sadaam's horrors - but it's 100 times worse than what he was doing in Iraq.

We need to do something - unfortunately with our budget deficit (being subsidized by China), and our military over-extended in Iraq - there's not much we can do and Kim Jong Il knows it.

7/24/2005 9:34 AM  
Blogger Shawn said...

They have nukes now because our president had an agenda to invade Iraq and it was more important 'free' a backward country with a bunch of oil and pretend weapons of mass destruction than to 'free' a backward country with no oil and flourishing nuclear program aimed at gaing nuclear weapons (which I'm pretty sure are weapons of mass destruction).

It just seems odd that everything always has to equal Iraq:

Osama Bin Laden is behind 9/11 + Osama's in Afghanistan = invade Iraq.

N. Korea is run by fanatic militants + N. Koreans close to testting 'nucular' bomb = invade Iraq.

Economy is stagnant + jobs are being outsourced = invade Iraq

Well, we'll all be safe once we make the provisians of the Patriot Act permanent...

7/24/2005 10:21 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Shawn - yeah, we'll be so much safer now that we're being watched at all times, have wiretaps without search warrants, and the FBI's watching what we check out at the library. :(
I like your scenarios for attacking Iraq. I'll add one. someone moved the furniture and it was dark and I stubbed my toe = invade Iraq.

Laura - yeah, that's my main fear that China will get involved. As corrupt as China is though, will they risk nuclear annihilation to defend North Korea? This will be the Cold War all over again.

Exmi - Dang, I thought we still had time. How did things get so bad so fast? We should have never let India, Pakistan, and North Korea develop nukes. None of those countries are stable.

Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr are going to go down in history as being horrible, horrible Presidents for allowing this to happen. And if you want to know why I'm blaming Clinton, it's because he had a chance to buy out Russia's nukes when they were in economic dire straits. It's unfortunate Clinton was President at the time. Clinton had three chances to kill or capture Osama too. He barely tried. Clinton even admitted to being indifferent about America falling to #2 behind China economically. What a bastard. I blame Bush Sr for being a globalist while pretending to be a patriot. He's no patriot, never was. Just a greedy corporate stooge waving an American flag. The whole flag burning amendment was so fake. He did that while heavily increasing outsourcing and giving us the H1-B visa program, the two things that caused the recent economic collapse. Meanwhile, our enemies grow stronger while our economy suffers and we get stuck with having to be careful what books to check out at the library.

7/24/2005 6:08 PM  
Blogger Bridget Jones said...

Yah, I'd vote for you in a second, ZS, In fact I'd campaign for you...oops maybe that wouldn't help...

7/24/2005 7:36 PM  
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7/24/2005 7:36 PM  
Blogger Dawner said...

This post was very interesting. I don't think that any of this will ever stop until total world destruction is accomplished. It seems the only thing that makes the world go round is money and power. Wouldn't you know it something that is so petty. Great blog...

7/25/2005 4:03 AM  
Blogger Laura said...

China doesn't have to get involved militarily at all in order to screw us. They're loaning us tons of money to cover our current budget deficit (thank you Mr. Bush, thanks A LOT). All they have to do is stop, our economy will tank, and we'll be completely powerless to do anything to anyone. They don't have to lift a finger.

7/25/2005 6:21 AM  
Blogger Jason said...

The two most disgusting governments I've been aware of the last few years were the Taliban and Kim's North Korea. I'm not saying Sadaam was a good guy by comparison, but the amount of vile filth the people of those other two nations had to endure was unbelieveable. At least the Taliban has been run out. Your plan sounds as good as any for taking Kim out.

7/25/2005 10:22 AM  
Blogger Laura said...

Don't count your chickens before they've hatched Jason. The Taliban is still active in Afghanistan - espcially in the rural areas where the weak central government has very little control. Also the social norms that the Taliban instituted into actual laws (and brutally enforced) pre-date the Taliban. They're mostly tribal codes that many people still follow. This is especially true for women, who still have little freedom and security because it is the customary law that rules in the rural areas.

But yes, I agree, conditions are/were much worse in NK and Afghanistan. Iraq was actually not as "backwards" as many people believe.

7/25/2005 10:40 AM  
Blogger exMI said...

NK has had nukes since long before we invaded Iraq. they don't have very many and not a good delivery system yet but just having them is enough. Can't blame Bush for that one.

The Taliban - Taliban is gone from power. The only way they MIGHT, and I emphasize might here, get back into power would be for us to pack up and go home. We are doing very good things in AF, I've been there, I've seen it. If we left now there would be an Uzbek - Tajik alliance that would take power shortly thereafter. Civil war would probably follow in a few years as the Pashtuns would not like that. Iran would get very active to prevent the return of the Taliban, Pakistan would probably be backing them again under the table.

Money is what has ALWAYS made the world go around.

China couldn't cut us off without economically destroying themselves too. Of course they have a record of doing strange self destructive things. But they won't do it over Korea. They are saving that particular bullet for Taiwan.

7/25/2005 11:44 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Exmi - They had no delivery system and no defenses for their nukes. We could have easily swooped in there with F-16s and taken out their facilities, like Israel did to ??? in the 80s. As I said before, I suffer from CRS so I don't remember if that was Iran or Iraq where they just went in and destroyed their facilities. That's why I blame Bush. Of course, Clinton could have stopped them too. I blame him too. Now it may be too late.

Laura - the good news is that the Taliban are getting routed. How long this fight will go on? I have no idea. I'm not there and know nobody there personally.

Jason - yes. The Taliban and NK are the two worst gov'ts since probably Pol Pot's Cambodia or Idi Amin's Uganda. Saddam's evil, but not in the same league as the Taliban and Kim Il-Sung (well, his son now).

Laura again - I wish I disagreed with you, but unfortunately, you are right. We're self-destructing financially. Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr were corporate globalists, and under all three of them, multi-national corporations grew at the expense of the common worker and small business. And this is coming from a Right-winger (economically). I believe in capitalism, but the way they set it up, the global corporations get welfare while small businesses have to compete with them, and too often get crushed. It's a bad day for capitalism.

Dawner - I'm all for money. I believe that capitalism is a good thing, and hard-work, brains, and guts should be rewarded with fat amounts of money. However, the way it is now, the little guy gets clobbered by the big guy. Look at the computer industry. A little guy would invent something cool then Microsoft would take their idea, change it just enough that it doesn't violate the copyright, then clobber the little guy with Microsoft's marketing power. It's not just computers though that this happens in. What I don't get is where are the anti-trust Republicans? Are there any left? The Republican party has blocked the break up of Microsoft and both Clinton and Bush have allowed too many corporations to merge, including two of the three biggest pieces of Standard Oil.

Bridget - Thanks. I'll take any help I could get. As I told Ben though it will be a ways in the future. I'd want to be in a position where I don't have to take corporate donations to have a chance of winning.

7/25/2005 7:01 PM  
Blogger savage said...

If you don't want corporate "donations," you may remain financially too weak to ever run for anything bigger than KOYOBY (King of Your Own Back Yard)
... look at this lil burg (that you LEFT me in) ... the city council's on somebody's payroll; you can't expect me to believe these guys actually think the things they do are good for the citizens of 9592x...

7/26/2005 3:25 AM  
Blogger Laura said...

ZS: Oh, I agree that the Taliban as a government are being routed out. But the restrictive cultural norms and the lack of security that led people to turn to the Taliban for security after the civil war in the first place are still there. It's only a matter of time before some other autocratic regime takes over. Afghanistan has never had a strong central government able to control the whole country. Unfortunately, that's what we intend to try and set up, and I don't think it will work and the country is going to collapse back in on itself.

I would have to say I'm a believer in the quasi-socialist formats of Western Europe now. Capitalist to a point, but pure capitalism takes into account only profit (aka your corporate greed) - anything to maximize profit. I agree with you there have to be limits (government regulation to a point) to ensure fair wages and working conditions.

7/26/2005 4:42 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Savage - those city council members need a good beating. I'm beginning to think the lot of them have coke addictions. Actually, to run for Congress, I've seen a stat somewhere. It's not too much, more along the lines of $25-50k, depending on the district. I'll have to verify that. Of course urban areas are more, sometimes considerably more than that figure.
Whatever it is, you don't have to be uber-rich like a Senator.

Laura - yeah, I'm afraid of that in Afghanistan, but it all depends just how effective our "Marshall Plan" there is. As for economics, you and I may disagree, but I have the utmost respect for your beliefs because knowing you, you did a lot of research to get there. I think the part we disagree on is how much safety nets to have. European socialism in my opinion has too much of safety nets and not enough incentive for hard work. What we currently have though would be better if gov't would bust some trusts, stop giving so much corporate welfare, stop giving tax benefits for outsourced (lost) jobs, and stop importing workers to undercut American labor. If we do those things, American capitalism would thrive again as we've proven it does in the past. If we keep doing those things, China will smoke us.

7/26/2005 8:39 AM  
Blogger Laura said...

ZS: I'm all for compromise on the economic front. That's why I can get along with fiscal conservatives just fine - that's all economic theory (on which I'm no expert). It's the social conservativism shove-my-beliefs-down-everyones- throats-my-way-is-truth people I take issue with. Our current system is corrupt and needs reform, on that, we definitely agree.

7/26/2005 12:13 PM  
Blogger Ben said...

ZS, crazy but it just might work, I don't have a better soultion, oh and God-forbid if N. Korea allies up with China, were all screwed then.

7/31/2005 5:51 PM  

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