Sunday, January 08, 2006

Celebrities and their double standards with guns

I loved the movie Thelma and Louise. Some folks saw it as a male bashing movie, some saw it as a feminist movie, I just saw it as a movie about two people in bad situations turned outlaw that happened to be women. Finally, an "outlaw with a heart of gold" movie starring a woman (or in this case two).

Guns were an integral part of the movie. If you took guns out of the movie, there would be no movie. There would be nothing, just two women in their 30s complaining about their miserable lives. So let's not kid ourselves and say the movie didn't need guns.

Well, a few years ago, I saw an interview with Callie Khouri, the lady who wrote the screenplay, and listened as she proceeded to bash guns. Needless to say, I lost all respect for her as a person. I'm so sick of Hollywood's hypocrisy, of that arrogant attitude that they can do things but we normal people can't.

George Clooney's the same way. I loved From Dusk 'Till Dawn. Clooney did an amazing job as the Gecko brother with his head on straight, well, compared to his sociopathic brother. He used guns like a pro and looked so cool in every scene, gunning down the vampires and keeping his cool while H*ll literally came to Earth. In person, he's a rabid anti-gun nut. So it's okay for him to glamorize guns, but it's not okay for us to own them. Wonderful.

It gets worse. There's Rosie O'Donnell. You may remember her as pretending to be nice until the truth came out that she was anything but. Well, Ms. O'Donnell was one of the leading Hollywood figures railing against private gun ownership. What she failed to mention is that she had armed bodyguards. Yes, her bodyguards had guns. Her armed bodyguards not only protected her lazy *ss, she had armed bodyguards picking up her kids from school. Yes, armed bodyguards going into school zones with guns. Let me say that again. People with guns going into her childrens' schools to drop them off and pick them up.

I'm sick of celebrity double standards. But it's not just celebrities that have double standards with guns.

Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) is a California Senator. She's one of the most powerful people in the nation. Unfortunately, she's one of the biggest hypocrites. Every election year, Gunowners of America publishes grades for Congresspeople and Senators. Every time, Feinstein gets an F-. She's completely against private gun ownership, yet, she has a California Concealed Weapons Permit.

Yes, she is one of the few who have those things. She keeps a gun on her person at all times when it public because she specifically said that if someone where to take her out, that bastard is going to die too. That's the same attitude I have, yet I'm not trying to ban other people from having guns. She is.

The celebrity I do like when it comes to guns is Ted Nugent. He's brash and outspoken, but what he's saying is right on. He loves guns, and isn't afraid to say it. He also believes it's his job to protect his family, a role he shares with his gorgeous wife who also loves guns and could probably outshoot most of us gun loving men. More power to them both.

A little sidenote, my hats off to the Gunowners of America. They're the most fair gun group out there and they understand the Constitution as well. They had a wonderfully scathing piece against the PATRIOT Act, which is not only bad for the Second Amendment, but the First and Fourth as well. They explained detail by detail why. One of these days, I'll join the NRA, but I'm proud to say that I've been a GOA member for years now.

But back to guns. If there's one thing I don't like, it's a drunk telling me not to drink. Or a guy who one day asks to borrow money from me because he has cancer of the wallet, then proceeds to tell me what I need to do with my investments. Or someone who glamorizes, owns, and carries a gun, while trying to ban private gun ownership for everyone else.


Blogger marcy_peanut said...

I told Ted Nugent to (excuse my language) "f*ck off" one day in NYC. He had just been on Howard Stern. The cabbie that I drove me uptown was listening to Howard, and Ted was talking about how much he hates gays. And gays should be shot. Etc. So, about a half hour later, I saw him walking with a couple of people in front of the Plaza Hotel. He looked at me and smiled. I literally stopped walking right beside him, looked him in the eye, and said "F*ck you. Don't smile at me. I'm gay."

Anyway. That's my Ted Nugent story.

I don't like the idea of automatic weapons being sold to civilians...however, I do think that it is very important for Americans to continue to have the right to bear arms.

I don't own a gun.
But I think it should be every American's right to have a gun in their home if they feel they need it.

1/08/2006 7:05 PM  
Blogger neal said...

I got an e mail just a few days ago that I had recieved numerous times before about the statistics of how many gun owners there are and the death per gun owner relationship. They then compared it to physicians and how many deaths are caused by them. The death rate by physicians is alot higher than those by gun owners.

I am not a gun 'nut' as some people say. I do have a shotgun and a couple pistols but I do not have my private arsenal. I don't care if everyone around me does though. It is there right to own guns and if they want 300 of them who am I to say they can't have them?

My problem with the legal system that deals with those who use guns while perpretrating a crime. They should lay down the law on these people and I don't care if it is a 12 year old kid who pulls the trigger.

I also think that if you are caught red handed using a gun in a crime you should skip the trial. Trials are for a jury to decide innocence or guilt. If you are caught robbing a liquor store with a gun in your hand that is pretty cut and dried in my book. Toss the perp in jail and throw away the key.

On the other hand if someone breaks into your house you should have the right to shoot them. END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My house if private property. I worked to pay for it and everything inside it. My family is my first priority and I should have the right to defend them. If I don't invite you inside than you are an intruder and a very unwelcome one at that.

I like the militaries signs they hang on critical installations, "Use of deadly force authorized". I wish I could say the same goes for protecting our homes and families.

I grew up around guns. I had a Red Rider bb rifle for my 5th birthday. I was shooting .22's by the time I was in 3rd grade. By the time I was in high school I had shot just about everything except an automatic weapon. I attended hunter safety course every year for summer school just so I could go shoot.

When I joined the military I noticed at the firing range that those who grew up in the country around guns had more respect and skill with them. Those who grew up in the cities or who had never touched a gun treated them like toys and were very dangerous to be around.

I hate these celebrities who think their opinions are much better than ours. They make all this money and they can afford big mansions with privacy and security guards. They should live out here were it is up to us to defend our families from the crime that runs rampant in our streets.

It isn't just the gun issue that peeves me when it comes to celebrities. I just don't understand why they think their opinions are so much better than ours.

The Ben Afflecks, the Sean Penns, the George Clooneys, the Rosie O Donnels and all the rest of them can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. They think they should have the right to form public opinion because of their celebrity status. They are just one person just as you or I am just one person. What makes their opinion any more valid than yours or mine?

I could go on and on but you are right on when it comes to this issue and I applaud you for it.

On a side note I made a wooden plaque of Ted Nugents Gun group and sent it to him. He sent me an autographed photo in return. Cool guy.

1/08/2006 8:15 PM  
Blogger Joe said...

I had no idea about Feinstein!
Is that true!?

If so, it definitely makes her a hypocrite.

Clooney too.

Despite my liberal leanings, I love guns. I think owning a gun makes me more American.
In fact, I took the shotgun out today and shot a few rounds of sporting clays and trap.

1/08/2006 8:54 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Marcy - I had no idea he was a homophobe. That sucks. I like what he had to say on guns, but it's a good thing to call him on that issue.

People change. The best way to get people to change is with love. When he finds out some of his dearest friends are gay, trust me, he'll change.

Neal - Agreed with you on both guns and celebs. I'm sick of celebrities who think that behind their iron gates and security guards and sheltered lives that their opinion is any better than ours.

I've lived in some pretty bad neighborhoods. Not when I was a kid, but as an adult because I made bad economic decisions. I needed guns to defend me, because let's be realistic, by the time the cops got to my house, I'd be dead.

Celebrities don't have to deal with that. They live in areas that have no crime, no drug dealers and tweekers next door or across the street.

The urban vs rural thing with guns I've discussed before and I should really bring up again. It's very true. Urban people also depend on the gov't for everything. Rural people can take care of themselves. Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part, this generalization holds water.

Joe - I remember you discussing guns many times. As for being liberal, it's totally cool with me. I'm sure you and I have more in common than not. Plus, I've actually counted before and it's funny, but more than half the people on this blog are liberals. Of all the ironies. ;)

But it all comes down to one thing, I try to make you laugh, you all make me laugh. And that's what we all have in common.

1/09/2006 12:14 AM  
Blogger lime said...

AMEN!!! I know so many people who freak out because we are gun owners. and they get apoplectic when they find out my daughter has been hunting since she was 13 and the 2 younger ones target shoot. we are absolute sticklers about gun safety and proper handling, because let's face it, there is NO room for error. and the government best not mess with the public's right to bear arms.

that being said, i really don't see the need for fully automatic weapons. i had the chance to shoot an uzi once. this was after growing up using guns, so i am comfortable with them. the uzi seriously scared the shit out of me. i pulled the trigger once, saw the spray of bullets fly off in a second, laid the thing down and backed away. there is just no need for that kind of power outside a warzone.

i find it interesting to note that every time a friend of ours from overseaas has come to visit, top of the list activity they ask for is 'will you let us shoot your guns?'

1/09/2006 6:40 AM  
Blogger Sadie Lou said...

Wow Zombie, this piece is really insightful. I wish I had picked it up. The Rosie O'Donnel bit probably bugs me the most. Guns being ALLOWED in school? What kind of double standard is that? I don't care who you are.
This post is good journalism, Z and another reason why I feel more informed reading blogs than watching the News.

1/09/2006 7:36 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Lime - That's too funny.

I think the automatic gun laws are fine. I think in Nevada, you can own and shoot them, but they're so regulated that not anyone can get one. Tactically, against zombies, you want semi-auto. You have to make your shots count, and you can't do that with full auto. Nothing like running out of ammo when you're surrounded by zombies.

Sadie - Funny, I hear about a lot of stuff via blogger, then go to to verify.

Yeah, nice double standard, huh?

1/09/2006 8:15 AM  
Blogger Moni said...

Celebrities always show their hipocracy on controversial issues. (Money is a great whore) That's why I've stopped listening to them. They use their fame to inforce their beliefs...but then again we don't have to listen to them.

I saw Rosie O'Donnell skewer Tom Selleck on her show regarding his NRA position. It's fine if she wanted to talk about gun control on her show, but she totally blind-sighted him. He thought he was on the show to talk about his upcoming movie. That was pretty low. I wonder how she would have felt if the show was on the other foot?

I do own a gun. I lived in the DC area(Va) and it only took one crack addict trying to break down my door in the middle of the night to make me get one.

Coincidentally, gun ownership is illegal in DC and DC used to have the highest murder rate per capita than any other city in the nation. Go figure.

1/09/2006 8:30 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Moni - Coincidentally, gun ownership is illegal in DC and DC used to have the highest murder rate per capita than any other city in the nation. Go figure.
Yup, unfortunately, no coincidence there. Criminals are much more scared of a homeowner with a gun and a big dog than cops.

I heard about that Tom Selleck interview. That was low, even for her.

1/09/2006 8:44 AM  
Blogger exMI said...

I'm with you ZS. I unfortunetly can't won guns at the moment but I have a bow. And swords. I'm much more comfortable with taking a sword to a house intruder anyway, less damage to the walls, no chance of collateral injuries. But not everyone has what it takes to use one. (since I have never actaully done it I don't know if I do either, but I think I do)

1/09/2006 9:29 AM  
Blogger lime said...

zs, i didn't know that about nevada. thanks

1/09/2006 11:08 AM  
Blogger Vest said...

I believe this post is a re-hash of a previous post on this site, so I shall reiterate my opinion that guns breed violence. We should be taught this from birth.
Any person (except for Law Enforcement persons) in possession of a gun (any type)in a public place should be regarded as a possible threat to the public at large, these Gungho Nutters need protecting from themselves, didn't your parents tell you that playing with matches you will get yourself(And others)burnt.
I have been aquainted with all types of weaponry from the smallest to the largest and can bear witness to the devastating effect it has on the living screaming in their death throes, and it aint bloody funny either.
If the guns arn't there to be had there is no problem to be had with guns, or are you gun toting Billy the Kids too simple minded to understand that simple rule.
They that live by the Sword(Gun)
shall surely perish by the Sword(Gun).
Gun toters are prospective killers and should be strung up by their Nuts.

1/09/2006 1:30 PM  
Blogger The Zombie Lama said...

One of these days, I'm going to disagree with you and start an interesting debate on your blog.

Today is not that day...

1/09/2006 3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Z L. 'One of these days'

Does that mean you are anticipating having a head exchange prior to the debate.

1/09/2006 3:29 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

Okie , Hi there you pompous dickwit, Have you not noticed that most blogs have input placed by ordinary people with ordinary intellect, and try to get their message over by making it easier to understand from the ordinary folks point of view.
Not everyone goes to harvard like you, and paid for up front by your rich daddy, so you are able to put down those souls of lesser importance than you, We all have our own style, and your self opinionated ( I am better than you style)Stinks to high heaven.
Your upper class attitude,and your philistinic Grammar, most people could not care two hoots about as long as the message comes over you arrogant asshole.

1/09/2006 3:54 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

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1/09/2006 4:04 PM  
Blogger Bo Salisbury said...

Diane Feinstein is not only a hypocrite, but she's ignorant -- she thinks the three branches of government are the House, the Senate and the Executive branch. Meanwhile, Mr. Feinstein's (aka Blum) client, Bechtel, continues to profit from the war in Iraq, bagging lucrative no-bid contracts.

Makes me wanna fro up.

1/09/2006 4:22 PM  
Blogger neal said...

I wrote a paper for an English class in college about gun control. In it I quoted someone, I could dig it out if anyone is interested, and they said that it isn't the job of the police to protect the public from criminals. There job was to investigate crime and to serve as a deterrent. The job of protecting yourself and your family lies with YOU!. You can't do that unless you have some means of doing so. If someone who is six foot six and 300 pounds comes into my home I have no desire to try and wrestle him to the ground until the police show up. One or two rounds from the Mossberg will be enough to settle our differences.

I do not disagree with Vest that death by gunshot wounds are unpleasant. They are, no doubt about it, but until the flow of illegal weapons on the street is halted and the criminals give up there guns I have no intention whatsoever of giving up mine. When I can feel safe about going to bed at night without someone breaking into my home I intend to protect it from anyone who enters it without my permission.

In the past our citizens were comfortable leaving there homes and leaving them unlocked. That has changed and we just cannot let gang bangers and tweekers get away with their behavior. I would hate to have to kill someone but the way I look at it is it is better them than me if they choose to threaten the safety of me or my family.

BTW I do have an alarm system and a video camera system that records everyone that enters within a 180 degree arc in front of my house. I have signs in the garden and on every window that my home is protected by said alarm company. If someone decides not to heed those warnings and preventive measures they will have to deal with me and I am a very light sleeper. I also keep the shotgun fully loaded and by my side of the bed at night. Hopefully the sound of jacking a round into the chamber would be enough but if it isn't I am fully prepared to pull the trigger...End of rant!

1/09/2006 6:22 PM  
Blogger neal said...

In case anyone is interested and those who may or may not agree, (like Vest) this is a must read.

Do guns cause crime

1/09/2006 7:17 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Exmi - I couldn't use a sword and am horrible with a bow. Utmost respect for anyone who could use both.

Lime - You're welcome.

Vest - Statistically you're safer in areas where everyone owns a gun. There's no coincidence for that.

Bo - Thanks for the info. I completely forgot about Mr. Feinstein's connection. That family are crooks big time.

Neal - Nice post. First off, I love guns, and that's why I have them. I have a fetish for good music, good guitars, and good food. I also have a gun fetish.

As for crime, I've lived in good neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods. Now, we don't even have to lock the door because we're in a very good neighborhood in Chico. But in bad neighborhoods, I kept the Mossburg loaded under the bed unchambered with a blank in front.

I'd rather shoot the intruder with a blank so no mess to clean up and let them get away. But if I see it as a dangerous situation, I'll eject the blank.

Yes, it is yours and my responsibility to defend our homes, especially in these days with tweekers and gang bangers everywhere.

1/09/2006 7:54 PM  
Blogger marcy_peanut said...

I had the album 'Cat Scratch Fever' album cover thumb-tacked to my wall when I was a kid!! Oh well, he used to be really cool looking.

He's actually REALLY tall!!!

1/09/2006 8:25 PM  
Blogger marcy_peanut said...

BTW--My uncle was murdered at the age of 24 when the mob decided to rob his father's liquor store (he was running the cash register). The asshole took the $68 out of the register, then told my uncle to run. He then shot him point blank in the back of the head. For $68.

This asshole got out of jail about 20 years later, and killed again. You could understand how my aunt wants a ban on handguns. I don't blame her.

Guns suck. However, I still think it is the right of every American to bear arms, even if just so that we can't be taken over by our own Government/Militia. Make sense??

1/09/2006 8:33 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Marcy - If shop owners all carried handguns, these idiots would have very short careers.

We were thinking of buying a gas station awhile ago. That would mean alternating nights. I'd be packing, and anyone trying to rob the store will have a hole in them very fast. I could smell a tweeker from a mile away.

Very sad about your uncle, but have a weird story for you. It was actually the mob that called for the first gun control laws. They were tired of their thugs being shot by shopowners.

1/09/2006 9:19 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

OZ STATS, 21 million population.
Gun deaths 2005; 14 suicide and accident, 9 crim activity.
1989-94 ave 68, 17 suicide and accident, 51 crim activity.
So it seems to be heading in the right direction.
BTW, I keep an old driver in the wardrobe and a speargun and a *BB bat under the bed,*page 127 tshsmom can confirm my experience with the BB Bat.
Any how i'll let you get on and in future I will try to keep away from your domestic problems, none of my business to interpret how and when you should shoot each other, so this is jack daniels, Vest and Johnny Walker signing off in unison after yet another hilarious day, kids and I loved Narnia, tomorrow is GUNNER be a nice day, hopefully.

1/10/2006 5:00 AM  
Blogger Miladysa said...

I love both Thelma and Louise and From Dusk to Dawn!

I am glad we do not have the right to bear arms here.

1/10/2006 6:29 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Vest and Miladysa - With all due respect to your nations, our nation was founded with completely different principles. Our nation was founded with Freedom first and a Fear of a one-party, centralized state (dictatorships weren't invented yet, but we feared that concept).

Free Speech, Free Press, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Worship, and yes, Guns are the integral parts of the Constitution. Anyone of these being banned will subvert the Constitution.

Europe puts safety first, America puts Freedom first. With Freedom, I could make my own safety.

Penn and Teller had a wonderful episode of their show Bullsh*t that exposed the myth of violence in this country. We are statistically quite safe, except a few bad areas bring the crime rates up. A lot of people live their whole lives without being mugged, without anything bad happening to them. Sure, some people are victims of violent crime, but most Americans are not.

That said, if you want to cut violent crime, go to the source. Stop illegal immigration, which brings in drugs and gangs, and undercuts the working classes, where many working class folk go out of work and end up on drugs and committing crimes. Also, legalize, regulate, and tax drugs. That will take the criminal element out of drugs.

If we do both, I guarantee you, gun deaths will drop by 90%.

1/10/2006 7:26 AM  
Blogger lime said...

zombie, good point on that last response. i was a victim of violent crime when i lived in trinidad where there were strict gun laws. as a law abiding resident in said country i could not own a gun, yet three gunmen entered my house, tied up my husband and me, threatened me with rape, and took everything they could carry.

i love that country, but truly, down there only the police and the criminals have guns. i am far safer here.

1/10/2006 8:35 AM  
Blogger exMI said...

Vest, if you come back to follow up, could you please explain the ethical difference between the spear gun and a firearm? Either would be equally fatal and equally unpleasent to be on the recieving end of.

1/10/2006 9:44 AM  
Blogger tshsmom said...

You already know MY stance on this ZS.
I'm heartened by all the responsible gun owners that have responded here. The ONLY way to keep our kids safe from gun accidents is to educate them in the safe handling of firearms! This is not the responsibility of the school or gov't. It's up to us parents!

Those of you who are against gun ownership, keep in mind that fully automatic weapons are ILLEGAL, yet criminals possess them.
If all firearms were confiscated, how easy would it be to commit a violent crime with a knife, axe, or cudgel? Think about it!

You're right ZS. Crime IS lower in areas where virtually ALL homeowners have guns.
Illicit drugs lead to more crimes and deaths than firearms EVER will

1/10/2006 12:48 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

exmi. I hope my brief come back does not get me KO'd in the first round.
Your profile has a lot of interesting input missing.
The speargun. exmi, this belongs to a close relative and it is kept out of sight away from loonies, it could be used as a defensive device; if time was on the side of the user. However, it is most unlikely to be the choice of weaponry by crimminals, a 1770s muzzle loader would be a better option than a speargun.
If space allowed, my choice of defense tool would be the B B Bat, I was well schooled in its use by the M O D, and like riding a bike you never forget 'how to'.

1/10/2006 2:50 PM  
Anonymous addthistoo said...

may I assume that, becoming a parent, one will automatically be installed with a genetic code; a info chip, which provides all of the necessary guff and bullshit about firearms and their safe usage, without having to be properly trained to do so, by experienced qualified tutors.
Gung ho novice gun slinging parents are not the answer.

1/10/2006 3:21 PM  
Anonymous exfagpuffer said...

tshsmom, the dogmatic term -Stance- so dictatorial and unforgiving, reminds me of Smokers who Kill others with there filthy habit.
Guns are like Smokes, Give up using the EVIL things and you will feel so much better for doing so.

1/10/2006 3:48 PM  
Blogger Scott said...

Here here zombie. This is exactly why actors should just keep their mouths shut when it comes to politics.

1/10/2006 5:52 PM  
Blogger marcy_peanut said...

It was actually the mob that called for the first gun control laws. They were tired of their thugs being shot by shopowners.

Figures. :(

1/10/2006 6:36 PM  
Blogger neal said...

The NRA offers hunters safety course in its efforts to promote firearms safety. If parents really wish for their children to learn proper safety procedures while handling a firearm that would be a good place for them to do so.

I took firearms safety class 4 years in a row because I loved the opportunity to shoot. I was raised with guns and I respect them and what they can do if not handled properly. I saw a Spanish officer get cut in two by an untrained recruit with an automatic weapon and it wasn't a pretty sight.

I took my son out one day and gave him a demonstration with my Mossberg pump. I filled a gallon milk jug with water and tomaoto paste. Then I shot it from about 30 feet away. When It exploded and the red paste went everywhere then he got the idea that guns can be dangerous and not to be played with. He has no interest in learning how to shoot but he also has no interest in playing with mine. If he ever does show an interest I will take him to a qualified instructor who will teach him proper safety procedures. If more parents took the time to talk to their kids about firearms then kids might not learn the hard way.

3 rules of firearm safety are,

Always assume the gun is loaded

Always keep the gun on safe until it is ready to be fired.

Never point the gun at anything unless you intend to shoot it.

Zombie is right about the heritage of guns in this country.

A few comments from the founding fathers.

"They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." -Thomas Jefferson

"(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -James Madison

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual private self defense..." -John Adams

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." -Samuel Adams

Get the picture???

1/10/2006 6:47 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

neal, I was 17 when I experienced the effect and close proximity of a shell explosion. The Padre asked me,
"Son, please can you help me by identifying the owner of this head".
"Sir", I replied, "He has the same name as his brother lying over there, if the tag says T.... H...., The head belongs to J.... H...., or the reverse, hard to really tell sir; they are twins".
I was unhurt; but I felt sick, I turned and slipped in the blood on the deck and banged my head against the steel bulkhead, which added more discomfort to that young male blonde blue eyed head of mine; whose ears were already ringing like Christmas bells.

1/10/2006 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Dave said...

OKIE, Hi dude, I am a friend of Vest, nice to make your acquaintance, normaly I dont really have the time available to talk to upper class professional morons, which seem to fit your profile. I have been taking a goosey at your posts, most of which do not consist of pristine grammar, in fact you too mate have a more than a smigen of poorly constructed sentences, repeated words and some mis-spelt words, poor punctuation and far too many filthy expletives, hardly a great example to be set by a proffessional, who has a habit of knocking other persons writing skills.
It is sad to hear about your divorce and your stressful ongoing life experiences together with the sad experience of your 18 year old friends suicide who shot himself in front of his 10 year old brother, guns again, I am sort of familiar with guns of various usages,3yr stint in the izzy army, worked with mossad for awhile, I now live in Australia.
My friend Vest is a honourable family man who I was in opposition to years ago. Vest may not possess your so called education and other learned skills, but he does have other qualities you are lacking and is not short on wisdom either.
So clean up your own back yard sport before defiling others.

1/10/2006 11:35 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

Scott,here here.
I agree.
Only the actions of politicians should be disaproved or applauded, certainly not their glib tongues.
It is only a bi partisan statement; made for the good of all that gets both parties to rise to their feet to shout "HEAR HEAR"

1/11/2006 12:01 AM  
Anonymous gregorie the groper said...

OKIE-- Why do youse guys pick on vesty, i dont know much about grammer but my mate sez thers not much diff exept vesty dont swear enuff, I was on is blog aweek ago, he gave me some stick but somehow my mate and me thinks hes a goodguy btw up yours too mate.

1/11/2006 12:19 AM  
Blogger neal said...

I used to frequent a forum on concerning bonsai trees. I often saw people become almost violent over differences of opinions on topics like soils for their trees.

I just wish people could sit down and have a conversation without resorting to personal attacks of character. This crap reminds me of the campaigns of politicians, nothing useful gets said, only insults get hurled around and no one is the better for it.

I don't know Vest and I don't agree with his opinion but he is entitled to it. He seems like a decent stand up guy and I would have no problem carrying on a civilized conversation with him on this or any other topic without resorting to insulting him personally.

I just wish sometimes people would grow up...

1/11/2006 4:00 AM  
Blogger Vest said...

Neal,re your last sentence & last para last comment.
OKIE started the ball rolling with the personal attack, I countered his attack, and left the fray.
I was invited back to reply to a question, which I did, again I was happy to retire from the fray,until my mate put the spoon in for another stir, added to by a couple of goofs, so that makes me the villain of the piece, oh dear oh dear off with his head, how dare this English - english speaking person have an adverse opinion of our archaic laws.
Neal old mate, I know it may be hurtful to you for us to be critical of your opinion, but that is the name of the game.
Neal,I hope I was not singled out to be the recipient of the 'grow up' pun, You see its like I am on my way around for a second slice of the cake. and I am enjoying life to the full, I hope you dont have nightmares worrying over this I certainly will not. I'm off to bye byes now after a quick shower, as it is now Thursday 0050 AEST.
AVAGDAY and stop worrying, VEST.

1/11/2006 5:57 AM  
Blogger Okie said...

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1/11/2006 8:38 AM  
Blogger Ben O. said...

I am still giggling at Zombie Lama's comment to Zombieslayer's post (Ever get the feeling we have too freakin' many zombies out here on the ether?)

It never ceases to amaze me the things I hear about "celebrities" (and YES, I put politicians squarely in that category). We see them on TV and magazines and assume they know stuff. THEY DON'T. They just look good when they talk. That's it. When was the last time a pretty person was actually interesting in casual conversation? Point made.

Good post dude - Ben O.

1/11/2006 11:37 AM  
Blogger mckay said...

OMG. a rational thinking artist type person. i think i love you.

1/11/2006 11:46 AM  
Blogger Vest said...

OKIE You wimp, you deleted your put down of me.
Would it be for the reason people at your workplace would discover your true self.
The wounded professional Jackal OKIE slinks away to lick his wounds.
OKIE , I went to your site this morning, Dave my good friend did a good job on your profile, so it seems, but missed a few of your other weak points, mind you; dont we all have a weakness somewhere in our makeup, however, Daves summing up describing you as Lacking is more to the point.
Hopefully our acquaintance will end here by me wishing you the best of luck with your current divorce and other messy domestic problems.
BTW, If you cannot stand to lose an argument, dont start one in the first place. Try to have a HAPPY day. goodbye to you, VEST.
And to all other contributors on the zombie slayer blog, my total admiration is extended to all of you, it has been an enjoyable 48 hrs of can stirring.All have a nice day luvs ya ,VEST.

1/11/2006 3:26 PM  
Blogger neal said...

Vest, I was not singling you out. I was just tossing that comment out to the wind. I think Okie was wrong to hurl insults at you to begin with, but my dad always used to tell me two wrongs don't make a right.

I was just trying to say that not only here have I seen conversations get a bit heated and turn into insulting confrontations. I just wish people in general, NOT ONLY HERE, could grow up and learn to be civil and respect someones opinion even if you disagree with them.

1/11/2006 4:30 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

Neal, The book that you suggested I read.
The authors background has put me off reading it, besides not having the patience to absorb yet another gun owning politically appointed person; with the sway of his articulated legal mind being used to lobby support for his own ends.

1/11/2006 5:46 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

All right, I was at work and missed what happened. Apparently the offending posts had been deleted by author.

Vest - I think I've already told you that my politics apply to the USA. They don't affect your country, nor anyone else's.

However, I must warn you in advance that a speargun will only take out one zombie. Not a good choice of weapons when the zombie plague starts.

Neal - Thanks a bunch for defending guns when I was at work. You've done a marvellous job. Would love to invite you and yours to our bar-be-ques when we start those up again in spring. You're not too far away from Chico.

Lime - That's scary. You are totally correct that if guns were illegal, only police and criminals will have guns.

Exmi - I'd much rather be killed with a gun than a speargun.

Tshsmom - Illicit drugs lead to more crimes and deaths than firearms EVER will

Sad thing is legal drugs kill more people than guns ever will. Doctor accidents do too. Bridget did a post on this and I think you responded to it.

Add - You forget a lot of us parents are "rednecks" (no, you don't have to be white to be a redneck). I grew up with guns and know gun safety better than 90% of law enforcement. So do a lot of other people I know.

Exfagpuffer - Guns have many good uses, and study after study has shown that guns actually reduce crime.

If you're wondering why crime is so high in the USA, keep reading my posts. It takes a dozen posts to explain American economic problems.

Scott - Agreed. They should be seen and not heard.

Marcy - Funny things you learn when you major in History. ;)

Dave - My friend Vest is a honourable family man who I was in opposition to years ago.

Just to let you know, I'm a big fan of Vest's site. Although we strongly disagree on some issues, there's no bad feelings between us.

That Okie post was deleted before I had the chance to see what happened.

Gregorie - See what I said to Dave.

Ben O - We see them on TV and magazines and assume they know stuff. THEY DON'T. They just look good when they talk.

Geez. You can say that again.

McKay - Thanks. I'll visit tonight. :)

1/11/2006 7:53 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

Thanks ZOM for your useful advice.
My comment, OZ STATS. included my intention to withdraw from your domestic politics, as if it was not enough, I was asked to return,
by Neal and exme.

I felt more than a tinge of pain when a Muslim friend of Dave and myself, described the USA Britain AND Australia; as 'The New Axis Powers'reminiscent of WW2. This Lebanese Gent who fled his homeland, stated that, interference from other countries only strengthens the resolve of people to defend their so called rights and traditions, you cannot make a cat change to being a dog; ever. leave them to their own devices say's Karim; they will eventually annihilate themselves.
May-14-1948.6-30,am. Palestine.
HMS MAURITIUS The 7000 ton 12x6" guns etc, left the port of Haifa in a hurry, under a hail of small arms fire, both forward and after berthing wires sang and swung wildly when wrenched from the dockside bollards, later that evening Britains Mandate expired, amid sighs of relief, and a new nation was born. ISRAEL. dare I say it SHALOM..Peace, you must be joking. Yes I was serving on that ship, Our CO was Lord Ashbourne, Captain, Royal Navy.
Avagoodweekend. nice people.

1/12/2006 1:01 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Vest - This Lebanese Gent who fled his homeland, stated that, interference from other countries only strengthens the resolve of people to defend their so called rights and traditions

As is true in Lebanon, as in true anywhere: When another country tells you and your people what to do, the more you want to defend your homeland and its ideals.

I think of all the people in the world, Americans are high on the list of folks who don't like to be told what to do by others.

As for the state of Israel, you've seen interesting times, my friend. Hillary Clinton wrote a book called "Living History." I think Vest should have written a book called "Living History."

1/12/2006 4:17 AM  
Blogger Vest said...

zom, okie may have been right but did not have the right to pass judgement on my style. I am aware I am thinking end of sentence while typing the beginning, (poor sentence structure).
Auto B done that, aka J L S.
A good editor is the cure all.

Thank you for visiting my new posts.

1/12/2006 5:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have come to the conclusion that gun owners, gun lovers and gun users are Selfish people of unstable mind and are latent killers, if not using to kill themselves- the gun is always available for an irate family member to go on a killing spree such school children shooting their classmates or relatives to run amok willy nilly

1/25/2006 4:02 PM  

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