Tuesday, October 18, 2005

Fascism vs Zombieslayer style Nationalism

One problem with Americans is they throw around words without knowing what they really mean. For example, you will hear Leftists call someone they disagree with all the time "a fascist." Or you will hear Rightists call someone they disagree with "a communist."

I already did my piece on why communism is bad. I now want to show you that there's a huge difference between my brand of American Nationalism and fascism.

First, we have to come to the root of the term fascism to understand what a fascist is. Fascism was developed by Benito Mussolini in Italy. The term simply means "corporate state." It's when corporations are in line with the State, worker groups are suppressed, as are dissenting viewpoints. It's a populist movement, where the people trade in their Freedoms for order and give away their Rights as workers as well for the promise of prosperity.

Now right away, you can see a huge difference between my brand of Nationalism and Fascism.

Fascists are highly against dissenting media. I'm all in favor of as much media as possible. The more the merrier. Note that I've always encouraged Third Parties. I also encourage people to read opposing viewpoints to their own, which at best will open their mind to something new. At worst, it cements why you think that guy's an idiot.

Fascists not always, but often need a scapegoat to persecute, often manifested in a race or a religious group. When I talk of Americans, I include everyone born in America or good people who become citizens through legal immigration. I don't care what color, religion, or whatever you are. You're all Americans to me, and I'd actually prefer you to drop the prefix in front of American and just call yourself "American."

Fascism won't work if non-fascists had firearms. In fascist states, only the members of the fascist party or sometimes only the police were allowed to own firearms. I don't think I need to explain how I feel about gun ownership again.

Fascists are in bed with corporations. I'm a Teddy-style trust buster because I like to keep business flowing.

Fascists hate organized labor. I strongly believe that the fight between labor and the capitalists is a good thing. When capitalists have too much power, labor gets exploited. When labor has too much power, nothing gets done.

So fascists and the Zombieslayer do not get along. They want to control you. I want you to be empowered. They want to decide what is best for you. I trust you to make your own decisions as an adult.

Fascists don't like a concept of guaranteed Freedoms like the Bill of Rights. They want a strong, centralized State. I want America to be what it was supposed to be - a Republic. Always remember when Benjamin Franklin was asked by an unknown woman what kind of government they decided on, Franklin replied "a Repubic - if you can keep it."

38 Comments:

Blogger Joe said...

Ben Franklin's da bomb.

You gotta admire fat, bald guy who was also a lady's man.

10/18/2005 4:10 PM  
Blogger Moni said...

Zombieslayer for president! I want to be empowered! ;)

Now if in the Republic of Zombie you could only find a way to reform health care. You know make it so that everyone would be entitled to and could afford the same level of care.

10/18/2005 5:18 PM  
Blogger exMI said...

hmmm trading freedoms for security and order. Sounds like what I hear alot of now.
A scapgoat - frankly at the moment I tink that is illegal imigrants. Chertof's blast today sounds good but is undoable without massive funding that I don't see coming.

sigh.

10/18/2005 5:25 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Exmi - The trick is to get the Mexican economy strong. For the record, they have more oil and silver than we do. It's just their gov't is so corrupt. Then illegals won't have a reason to come here.

But yes, trading freedoms for security is what we have now. Scary stuff.

Moni - We can afford single-payer health coverage. I'll have to do a separate post on this later because it will take me a day to write a reply.

Joe - Yup. That guy's my hero. One of America's greatest inventors and he had all kinds of French mistresses. Wow.

10/18/2005 6:06 PM  
Blogger Bo Salisbury said...

You're right... the sad truth is that Mexico needs to have their own revolution... one that sticks... one in which the regular folk get some return on the oil and other stuff. I'm almost a pacifist, but the reality is this is a "push-come-to-shove" world and very few inequities get equified without some sort of fratricide. I wish I had the answer for Mexico...

I know... a war on poverty!

Wait, we already know that doesn't work.

10/18/2005 6:44 PM  
Blogger The Zombie Lama said...

Just don't call zombies fascists. It upsets them.

10/18/2005 9:13 PM  
Blogger Laura said...

Hmmm:
1. Fascists are highly against dissenting media.
2. Fascists ...need a scapegoat to persecute (homosexuals and non-christians could qualify, as could anyone anti-war these days)
3.Fascists are in bed with corporations. Halliburton anyone?
4.Fascists hate organized labor. This goes hand in hand with #3.
5.They want to control you.More "social legislation" like the gay marriage ban and the patriot act?
6.Fascists don't like a concept of guaranteed Freedoms like the Bill of Rights. (Patriot Act anyone?)

I dunno about Y'all, but given the current administration, I don't think I've been "throwing around" the word fascist when I say that's the direction we're headed ...

10/19/2005 4:47 AM  
Blogger Bo Salisbury said...

Hmmm:
1. Fascists are highly against dissenting media, like conservative talk radio, bloggers, conservative columnists and tv personalities, etc..
2. Fascists ...need a scapegoat to persecute (Christians could qualify, as could anyone anti-terror these days)
3.Fascists are in bed with corporations. Mr. Feinstein's Bechtel, Google, Apple Computer or Hollywood media moguls anyone?
4.Fascists hate organized labor. This goes hand in hand with #3.
5.They want to control you.More "social legislation" like smoking bans, punitive taxes on achievers and state financed eugenics?
6.Fascists don't like a concept of guaranteed Freedoms like the Bill of Rights. (Speech codes, "campaign finance" regs, anti-gun laws, free inquiry in the academy, speech codes again, reverse discrimination?)

I dunno about Y'all, but given the past administrations, I don't think I've been "throwing around" the word fascist when I say that's the direction we've been headed ...

10/19/2005 6:41 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Bo and Laura - You're both right. Both Democrats and Republicans are doing some seriously quasi-fascist tactics. Both parties supported the Patriot Act, Democrats just pretended not to, but voted for it anyways, which in my book is even worse. Democrats are trying to ban guns, Republicans gave us the war on drugs which really is the war on the 4th Amendment. And neither of them defend us. That's why I've been screaming for a third party to emerge for about a decade now.

And of course, both major parties are in bed with corporations. I find it funny that it was Bill Simon, a conservative Republican, who exposed the depth of how in bed Grey Davis (the awful former CA Governor that was ousted) was with corporate interests.

The current Administration was a disaster when it comes to violation of Rights. But so was the previous. And the one before that too. We need to, and can, take this country back.

ZL - Did not know that. All I hear is "uuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr" when zombies speak.

10/19/2005 9:10 AM  
Blogger Scott said...

Just curious, but what do people think about Newt Gingrich as a Republican candidate? I wasn't tuned in to him during his years as speaker, so I really don't know, but I like what he has to say, especially about dependence on foreign oil, or that the next president has to be able to stand up to big oil.

I disagree that conservative radio hates a dissenting viewpoint. What I hear from people like O'Reilly is that an opposing viewpoint has to be backed by some fact, and frankly some of the arguments I hear from the left are mostly screeds. It's not all that way of course, but I know a hate-Bush-firster when I see him or her.

10/19/2005 10:59 AM  
Blogger exMI said...

Yeah, alot of what you hear on say "Air America" is drivel. But then so is most of what you hear on "the Savage Nation" or Mike Gallhager's show, or the godfather Rush's show. Just about the only talk show host I like is Neal Boortz, I don't agree with him on alot of stuff but I like him because unlike the others he says, "Don't believe what you hear on this show! Go out, do research and see for yourself."

I have been driven from the main parties. sort of hanging out as a psuedo libertarian now. It would be nice to see the centers of the Republican and the Democratic parties get together and make a new, less ideological party.

10/19/2005 11:20 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Scott - Gingrich's district was the #1 benefactor of corporate welfare. That's all I know about him, so not sure.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of Bush-can't-do-anything-right types, but what really turns me off is the blame-America-first crowd. Bush has done a few things right, like appoint Bolton and Roberts. I know a lot of folks hate Bolton, and why I like him is an upcoming post.

But then again, Bush does a lot more wrong than right, as did Clinton, as did Bush Sr. before him. I was too young to remember Reagan. I know Carter gave away the Panama Canal (bad move, now China's moving into that area, which is a gross violation of the Monroe Doctrine). My strengh in American history though was LBJ and before.

All talk radio is biased, whether it's from the liberal or conservative, or whatever side. I just like someone who doesn't put me to sleep.

10/19/2005 11:21 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Exmi - That's where nationalism comes in. America has problems that need to be resolved, but as long as both Republicans and Democrats keep bickering, while they both coddle to global corporations and screw over the working man and woman, these issues will continue to get worse.
One big issue nobody talks about is how the tax burden has been shifted from corporations to the working folks. I want my taxes significantly lower, but certain segments don't pay tax (corporations and illegals).

All talk radio hosts have their strenghs and weaknesses. I'll listen to Savage, to Rush, and O'Reilley, but nobody on the Left is interesting. But then again, I'll read Chomsky, and I've read two books so far by Al Franken. I don't want to narrow my viewpoint of the world to one side.

10/19/2005 11:26 AM  
Blogger tshsmom said...

"So fascists and the Zombieslayer do not get along. They want to control you. I want you to be empowered."
Pure poetry, ZS!
It's not the Republicans OR the Democrats that are the bad guys. It's the corporations that OWN the political parties that are the bad guys! We, the people, have the power to make a third party strong enough to show these guys who's boss!! That's empowerment!

10/19/2005 11:47 AM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Tshsmom - It's not the Republicans OR the Democrats that are the bad guys. It's the corporations that OWN the political parties that are the bad guys! We, the people, have the power to make a third party strong enough to show these guys who's boss!! That's empowerment!

Right on! You said it much better than I did. I'd like to do a triple attack, of taking back the Republican and Democrat parties from the corporations, and building a third party. I really like more options, that's why I'm pushing for a third party. Nobody wants to be limited on only two pizza toppings, why only two political parties?

10/19/2005 12:43 PM  
Blogger tshsmom said...

The Republicans and Democrats would come around real quick if a 3rd party was getting a slice of the cake!

10/19/2005 3:05 PM  
Blogger sygyzy said...

Bo - Your sauce is weak. You consider Google, Apple, and the like to be organized labor (READ: UNIONS)? Why don't you label them the way you really feel about them - New (as opposed to "old" aka Detroit Automakers, Rockafeller, US Steel, etc) companies that have young leaders with very liberal views.

10/19/2005 3:26 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Tshsmom - Very true. Yet another reason a third party needs to emerge.

Sygyzy - The "new economy" is notorious for bribing the gov't to outsource jobs to undercut American wages, which I don't think anyone who cares about the American worker would think is a good thing.

One funny story, you remember the company Dave and I worked for. Well, you know how our jobs were outsourced? The people who got them got those jobs further outsourced. They begged and pleaded for the jobs (at least we left with dignity), then finally offered to work for 50% of what they were making. No dice, they still lost them.

How are Americans going to compete with that? They simply can't. That's why I switched to doing builds because it's the one job that can't be outsourced. I have to physically be at work.

Yet another aspect of globalism I can't stand.

10/19/2005 3:57 PM  
Blogger Bo Salisbury said...

sygyzy said... Bo - Your sauce is weak. You consider Google, Apple, and the like to be organized labor

I didn't say that... I said "Fascists are in bed with corporations. Mr. Feinstein's Bechtel, Google, Apple Computer or Hollywood media moguls anyone?"

How is that statement considering them to be organized labor? What's your point? Could you express it plainly?

Both Democrats and Republicans are doing some seriously quasi-fascist tactics. ZS Right on... don't you just giggle when folks act all indignant when "the other party" cozies up to some powerful corporation or coalition or pander to some voting block? Do you think the offended parties really don't know that the game is played that way... that it's the nature of the beast... Are they naive? Or worse?

And, perhaps someone can enlighten me, because every fascist state I can remember has been socialist and secularist.

10/19/2005 5:08 PM  
Blogger Laura said...

I think the problem is really twofold:

The corporate involvement in government and the media and the general apathy amongst the general public that they have no control or don't care what happens in government. I keep saying it over and over, the only way for this to change is for more than two party system, and campaign finance reform to get the corporate interests out of our government.

10/19/2005 5:08 PM  
Blogger tshsmom said...

We all seem to be in agreement there, Laura.

10/19/2005 6:36 PM  
Blogger Bridget Jones said...

I so liked BF. But would vote for Zombieslayer any day for Pres!!

Did you know that there's a quote carved into the base of the statue of liberty? Can't remember the exact words, think they're BF's...along the lines of "those who would trade rights for security deserve neither".

Pretty cool, huh?

Bridg

10/19/2005 8:08 PM  
Blogger tenxinchoden said...

Hahah.... you still got that wicked humor... not even the Z-lama can beat you in that.

Well....will agree with moni up there... need any help?

10/19/2005 8:54 PM  
Blogger Liquidplastic said...

You know Zombie, and I say this in all due respect, you are a gotdamn good teacher!

I have read a lot about Fascism, but it never was put in such a way that its meaning is as clear as the nose on my face.

Who are you green goblin? There is so much magic in you --- now you are the one that should be writing text books for our school system --- instead of the bullshit we got!

I am with Moni .. Zombieslayer for president! Yes indeed, I want to be empowered! You know, and I have said it before, you got my vote!

10/20/2005 11:28 AM  
Blogger Miranda said...

So, if you were a facist, Zombies would be your scapegoat?

Poor Lama!

Are fascists really in bed with corporations or do corporations scurry into the bed of fascists to survive?


Interesting an informative post.
Thanks.

10/20/2005 12:44 PM  
Blogger southerngirl said...

Very interesting post, ZS. I still think the Bushies are facists, but I can see your point. ;-)

My favorite Ben Franklin quote:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

So I say Repeal the Patriot Act!

10/20/2005 2:36 PM  
Blogger dave said...

zombie, i miss you. come back.

10/20/2005 5:09 PM  
Blogger Hoagie1 said...

"When I talk of Americans, I include everyone born in America or good people who become citizens through legal immigration."

So according to your resoning: bad people who become legal citizens through legal immigration are worse than bad native born Americans?

10/20/2005 7:11 PM  
Blogger Vest said...

A Mexican leftist movement in power and that which would be in total control of its armed forces, would without doubt nationalise the oil industry of Mexico and raise the incomes of the new fatcats, but would not provide a quick fix solution to the peasants problems.

Just had a altercation with the OZ Fed Govt. Our pollies are referred to as MEMBERS of Parliament, Dicko's.
Going on short vacation Tues, see you soon, vest Daily Gaggle.

10/20/2005 10:52 PM  
Blogger savage said...

Glad to have ya back, ZS.
-r
PS:
How is that different from America ever since... say?  The mid-eighties?  Nah, the mid-seventies?  It seems like the corporations are taking over and most of the people are sitting back, turning up the noise on their iPods and letting it happen.
-=-

10/22/2005 1:14 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Savage - Since that time period, there has been a larger discrepancy in incomes between the CEOs and the average employee. I'm all for CEOs making money when the companies doing well, but the way I'd do it is have a $100,000 salary and that's it. Then give them a ton of stock over a ten year span. If the company is successful long-term, the CEO gets real rich. If not, the CEO gets less than the VPs and a lot of the sales staff.

The other thing we're seeing is the average American from the 70s has more debt and less net worth. So there is no change from this time period, it's just different types of jobs are getting outsourced.

Vest - Heh. You just summed up Mexican history right there. The revolutionaries ended up rich and the peasants stayed peasants.

Hoagie - Huh? You're reading into it.

Dave - I'm making twice the money that I was making there, and I'll be treated better. Would you like me to try to get you something up here? More money, less stress, more food varieties. ;)

SG - I wouldn't go out and call them fascists, but neo-Cons have fascistic traits. I really hope true conservatives (like Barry Goldwater types) could take the Republican Party back from the neo-Cons. The neo-Cons are huge spenders and internationalists, the exact opposite of what a true conservative is.

Miranda - Yup. Need a scapegoat. Sorry ZL. Or maybe I'll scapegoat those people who wear those hats with fruit in them.

LP - I'll run for Congress but definitely not for President. Got way too much to hide. ;)
Thanks for the title. I appreciate being called "teacher." That title I'll wear with honor.

TC - I'll take all the help I could get. I'm sure ZL would be funnier than he is if he had all his brains intact. Some have rotted away. :(

Bridget - That's my fav BF quote. Well, I also like "Beer is proof that God loves us."

Tshsmom, Laura, and Bo - Yes, I think we are in agreement about several things. We do need campaign finance reform. We need more choices - more than a two-party system. And of course we need less finger-pointing and more real change.

As for fascism having socialistic and secularist tendencies, let's see. We have Peron's Argentina, Hitler's Germany,and Mussolini's Italy that immediately pop up in my head. Let me get back to you. Looks like I need to do a little more research. It's been awhile since I studied any of those regimes in depth.

10/22/2005 2:28 PM  
Blogger savage said...

all:
esp. ZS:
If a third or a forth, etc. party with fire-power came along, you'd still have to reform campaign finance, etc., because WHAT'S TO STOP THE CORPORATIONS FROM TAKING OVER THE NEW PARTY(S)?
-r
PS:
:(
-=-

10/22/2005 3:16 PM  
Blogger savage said...

They WILL do it.
-r
PS:
It is just a matter of time.
-=-

10/22/2005 3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Savage - Limits to contributions. No gifts either. It should be that simple.

10/22/2005 7:23 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

That anonymous was me. Blogger's being weird again.

10/22/2005 7:24 PM  
Blogger dusty said...

If we had term limits instead of trying to impose weak, badly written laws regarding contributions to political campaigns..there would be very little to talk about..its hard to keep someone in your pocket if they only get to hold the seat for two years..this holds true for state and federal offices..Cali does have a term limit on Governor as does the office of President. We need it for the rest..

10/24/2005 2:40 PM  
Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Dusty - Great idea. I should push for that if I win for Congress. I'll probably get shot for doing that, but it needs to be done.

Term limits would get rid of the career politicians, and force politicians to get in, do what they came in to do, and get out, instead of making it their job.

10/24/2005 9:13 PM  
Blogger tenxinchoden said...

Woah!!
very very educative...
thanks ZS:)

10/25/2005 8:52 PM  

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